Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. 

We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder.

Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world.

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Jason Pack host of Disorder Podcast

jason pack

HOST

Jason Pack is the Author of Libya and the Global Enduring Disorder and Founder of Libya-Analysis LLC, and an Associate Fellow at RUSI . Jason is a Grandmaster of Backgammon.

Jane Kinninmont - Co-Host of Disorder

jane kinninmont

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Jane Kinninmont is the CEO of UNA-UK, a charity that builds movements, provides expert insight, and designs campaigns dedicated to promoting human rights, peace and security, and UN reform.

MARK LOBEl

COHOST

Mark Lobel is an Emmy-nominated investigative reporter and presenter, known for breaking major global stories worldwide. He lives in London with his wife and four kids. Mark is a sought after speaker, moderator and event host. You can book him here.

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